Poll: Majority Of Republicans Think ACORN Stole the 2008 Election

Why would ACORN steal the election for Democrats when Republicans have given them grants and regularly spoken at ACORN events? (e.g. John McCain)

Good point, professor. Maybe Acorn DID steal the election - the 2000 or the 2004 election!!!!

The only thing ACORN has ever done is to register voters that the G.O.P. ignored and discounted as unimportant. That these voters vote 98% Democrat should be expected. Fraud? Corruption?......right. The G.O.P. just hates ACORN because they paid attention to the segment of society that the G.O.P. exploits.

End of story.

I see stupid people Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're stupid.

I see them All the time. They're everywhere.

The report outlining the alternate universe of the Republican conservative, aka 'real' Americans, aka claims to be christian but it isn't, it is nothing but religious bigotry and fundamentalism in church crazy pants of the average, everyday, right wing flogger and the teabaggers in charge of their media and the cowardly panderers in the GOP...

Its a good read, goes a long way to explaining this kind of thing and why the majority of the GOP are birthers through and through. We should all read it as these political whacktards are actually quite serious and armed to the teeth and worse, firmly believe the corrupted ignorance and vile Anti-Christian UN-American crap coming from Fox, Limbaugh, Palin, Boehner, Bachmann etc etc and are likely to do damn near anything, and that includes some pretty bad stuff, to get their deviant perverted church crazy ugliness and total horse@!$%# back on top.

Thankfully the GOP is down to just 20% of us. So what we are really saying here is that out of the smallest minority party, given that both the independants and the democrats seem to outnumber them, just over half of them, 1 in 10 of us, are stupid beyond belief, and likely dangerous as hell.

But we knew this, 56% of them accept that Obama is not our real president and has no American Birth certificate. 56% of them cherish that thought as truth and it gives them hope yet of seeing him prayed to death or that somehow, miraculously we assume, the rest of the country, us, the minority according to them, haha, comes to our senses and realizes what a great president Palin will be, right after we accept their version of the lord I'm sure.

The remaining GOP, conservatism, the right in America, the base... It is insane, gone, lost, minds are broken, fanatical, hostile pissed off about who knows what exactly, and of no reasonable use to us as a country. And dangerous as hell.

Give them up, let them wander into a political isolation asylum as the largest ideological fringe party since the confederacy as they wear themselves hoarse with their repulsive deluded and criminally irresponsible short bus platform to return us to a dark ages mentality of religion and in all likely-hood, finish the job they started 9 years ago, and destroy the country.

Lets start the third party bandwagon. The democrats and Obama can putter along just fine for an election cycle or two here. There is more then enough work to keep them busy. And in the meantime we can throw around ideas for a new party that doesn't include racism, bigotry, religious hysteria and political insanity and who knows...

Freed from that pit full of sticky ideological goopoo, something better comes about.

God knows anything that is determined to stay in that pit, the ideological hell-hole of the 'right' in America, and be aligned with whats in there deserves the same scorn, and political death, that the Republican party is working so hard to accomplish for itself.

Ideological suicide by stupidity, pandering, demagogue and mob.

Its uglier then I could have imagined.

fugh

New article that touches on this

bill

LOL. That kinda scary!

Dave

Who started this dumb idea?

Republicans have been regurgitating the same sound bytes since the campaigns began. In the majority of conversations I have had, I keep hearing the same crap over and over, like "ACORN, socialist, Hitler, death panels" and more. I have just about given up trying to have an intelligent debate with people I know personally who have opposing views.

Ya think Fox News' incessant mongering of the ACORN story has anything to do with the poll results? They are purposely undermining his credibility in any way they can.

Let the Republicans believe that ACORN is the cause of all their problems. Their devotion to fringe non-issues will allow the Democrats to win by default.

JoMan-ACORN must have stole the election. Our country would NEVER have elected a man like Obama!

trm - Totally. With his credentials and hard work who would have fallen for it.

But let's see what did I see typed above, it wasn't only ACORN's fault:

Obama, with the help of the media, fooled enough people to vote for him.

We were fooled! We should have listened to Palin - Obama was tricksy he was.

Maybe next time we can vote for someone honorable like Cheney, or Rove... Someone hard working like Bush. (holy cow, it's even hard to type that as a joke, I have to go wash my hands)

Or someone really smart and mavericky.

Morons.

Exactly!

Wha-chu said.

Okay now, let's bring it back from the brink...

The majority of me tinks all conservatives aire stupid critters.

I wouldn't say stupid - a lot of them are out of touch. I especially love the young conservatives whose dads put them through college and paid half their bills through age 27. It's those guys who really have all the simple answers. Want to beat poverty? Just get a better job. In debt? Just pay it off. Want a better job? Just go to college.

Y'all know I'm just trying to put a lighter side to the e-question.

Wanna be in debt and not be able to get a job to pay for it? Go to college. And watch out for the girls looking for the MRS degree cause the groom used to pick up their college tab. Although with women getting the better jobs these days, men should go to college. Pay backs!:)

At the same time, young collegiate Republicans are getting harder to find. Most college students are liberal no matter where you're going or from.

Wanna be in debt and not be able to get a job to pay for it? Go to college.

This is good advice. Unfortunately, it needs to be received by 15-year-olds from their parents and we can't really blame people that much for growing up to be poor if they were never taught how to succeed when they had the chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI

Scotty; I appreciate you post. You do know however, that you are now a target for ridicule. I agree with you, both ACORN and SEIU are communist created organizations and what's worse, our president has been involved with these people since his college days. Now the visitor most often to the WH is from SEIU. Obama said himself, that he would consult with SEIU members before creating his Healthcare Reform. What are the people of this country that are anything other than liberals to think. First we have Van Jones, now the head of SEIU visiting the WH 23 times in 9 months. Why would we want a Healthcare bill that has any connections what-so-ever to do with a communisht organization? Even if Obama is the very opposite from what his critics claim......why would he surround himself with these kind of people. He said he would stop the influence of Special Interest Groups, and Unions in government.....yet, look who his friends are.

I know that ACORN cheats and is guilty of chalking up thousands of illegitimate votes for Obama in 2008...

Have proof that ACORN was guilty of even one illegitimate vote cast for Obama? Just one.

Our Secretary of State is Mark Ritchie, a member of ACORN with ties to the Communist Party.

Busy man.

A local television station did a special investigation on how the Absentee Ballots were counted and found "inconsistencies" that Ritchie couldn't deny.

I'm from Ohio. I know that a Secretary of State can taint an election. ACORN, not so much.

While I know that ACORN cheats and is guilty of chalking up thousands of illegitimate votes

Do you have any sources for that comment Scotty? Because what I have is it was voter registration fraud, not voter fraud. Mickey Mouse who was registered by some lazy ACORN worker never voted.

ACORN's connections to the Democratic Party.

You do realize ACORN has a strong connection with the Republican party, right? Specifically a connection with Senator John McCain.

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/7562/1/352

Stupid Party from stealing our country again.

I'm with you there, I never want the Republicans to steal our country again.

While I know that ACORN cheats and is guilty of chalking up thousands of illegitimate votes for Obama in 2008

Totally unfounded statement, but hilarious none the less. LMAO

both ACORN and SEIU are communist created organizations

Both were started by Social Democrats/Socialists.

Obama said himself, that he would consult with SEIU members before creating his Healthcare Reform. What are the people of this country that are anything other than liberals to think. First we have Van Jones, now the head of SEIU visiting the WH 23 times in 9 months. Why would we want a Healthcare bill that has any connections what-so-ever to do with a communisht organization?

Ummm... I think that a majority of health care workers (nurses, admin. assistants, etc) are unionized.

"Why would we want a healthcare bill that had any connections to healthcare workers!?"

Oh fear the scoialists--which means we need to fire every teacher, fireman. police officer, animal control personnel, public works etc....oh those evil socialists...be afraid..very afraid.

Good grief....

That's pretty funny but my favorite is...

both ACORN and SEIU are communist created organizations and what's worse, our president has been involved with these people since his college days

I mean, come on now, how much more ludicrous can anything be and still come from something with the ability to type a keyboard. Between this crap and the religious hysteria I honestly don't know what to say in reply.

Just keep typing kids, 20% and falling, pretty soon not even the average birther will be able to get in the ideological twilight zone you all have created for yourselves.

Any organization who is guilty of voter registration fraud (a felony) cannot be trusted. Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse were registered. They are being investigated in several states for voter fraud as well, but I don't believe the public is hearing the truth about these investigations. The big whigs in the Democratic do not want you to know ACORN is not a reputable organization.

I believe that individual people are being investigated for voter registration fraud, not the organization, but I could be wrong. The reason a lot of this has come up is because the organization has to report system abuses (registration fraud) as required by law. So, they gave up their own employees. It's still pretty difficult to register 9 million ballots without someone finding out.

Also, if you register 9 million ballots, you have to get someone to go vote as "Mickey Mouse" for it to count.

Any organization who is guilty of voter registration fraud (a felony) cannot be trusted. Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse were registered.

Only someone who is abjectly ignorant of election law would fault an organization that promotes voter registration for the content of the forms submitted.

That, and someone who wants to make a political point instead of an intelligent one.

Buckeye Voter, no matter how many times the difference is pointed out to Bubba he comes back with the same broken record.....He doesn't have an intelligent point because he doesn't want to HEAR or READ the facts - they interfere with what Beck tells him.

All right Web, this doesn't come from Beck or a Republican, it comes from a Democrat who wants to investigate ACORN. Are you saying ACORN is innocent of all voter registration fraud?? Maybe you don't understand because it was never reported on MSNBC. They are under investigation in 12 states.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/Rep-Conyers-Reverses-Stance-on-ACORN-Investigation--44485482.html

Bubba,

That article was from last May. It has been six months now, where are all these "ïnvestigations" now? Where are the convictions? Who from ACORN's management is serving time? Hell who from ACORN's management is even charged with anything?

I mean come on, over a dozen investigations and no one can find anything but some low level employees who tried to scam ACORN by padding Voter Registration cards?

For the umpteenth-thousandth time, registration fraud is not voter fraud!

If bubba was doing voter registration and I signed a card saying I was Mickey Mouse - there is no voter fraud. I would have committed a misdemeanor, and if Bubba decides to purge my registration card, he's then committed a felony. None of Acorn's detractors have offered an alternative method to what they're claiming is corrupt, when there's actually no voter fraud going on. Read that again.

Not. A. Single. Case. Of. Voter. Fraud.

Isn't voter registration fraud a felony? Would you be so easy on them if this were a Republican organization using your tax dollar to register Mickey Mouse?

Interesting article by commentator Kevin Mooney. He starts with a non-story of voter fraud, then spends the rest of the article talking about an investigation of an embezzlement scheme. A non-careful reader would assume that the investigations discussed had something to do with voter fraud.

But no, they don't.

This, of course, isn't a news piece, but a political piece meant to misinform. But the sleight-of-hand makes it worth a read.

Both were started by Social Democrats/Socialists.

Even if that's true, so what?

Buckeye Voter and other willfully blind liberals;

You ask me to produce even just one proof of ACORN voter fraud. Here is one of my favorites; Milwaukee, Wisconsin. In 2005 a Joint Task Force was launched to investigate ACORN cheating. They reported the following;

B. Summary of Findings
Based on the investigation to date, the task force has found widespread record
keeping failures and separate areas of voter fraud. These findings impact each other.
Simply put: it is hard to prove a bank embezzlement if the bank cannot tell how much
money was there in the first place. Without accurate records, the task force will have
difficulty proving criminal conduct beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
With that caveat, the task force has made the following specific determinations
based on evidence examined to date:
1. The task force has developed evidence of more than 100 individual
instances of suspected double-voting, voting in names of persons who likely did not
vote, and/or voting in names believed to be fake. Those investigations continue.
2. In addition, the task force has determined that more than 200 felons voted
when they were not eligible to do so. In order to establish criminal cases, the
government must establish willful violations in individual instances.
3. Also, the task force has found that persons who had been paid to register
voters as "deputy registrars" falsely listed approximately 65 names in order to receive
compensation for the registrations. The evidence does not indicate that these particular
false registrations were later used to cast votes.
4. The number of votes counted from the City of Milwaukee exceeds the
number of persons recorded as voting by more than 4,500.

I should also point out that voter registration fraud is vote fraud. Registration is where voting fraud begins. Once the phony registrations are logged with the elections office, that opens the door for the double voters to walk into the polling place and claim to be these falsely registered persons. You may remember this account which I copy here from Pajamas Media blog;

In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the "disenfranchised" minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren't just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.

In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.

I could go on and on, Buckeye Voter and other delusional lefties. You'd have to be living in a cave for the past year not to have noticed the pimp and prostitute videos that shook down ACORN through Andrew Brietbarts blogs. Are you really so ignorant, that you don't know this stuff? Or is living in a continual state of denial the only way you know?

Get a clue, people. Watch Fox News once in awhile. There's a reason that Fox News attracts millions more viewers than MSNBC and CNN combined, you know. It's because facts are reported there.

Okay, now I'd like to turn to the people who think it's important to point out that John McCain has ties to ACORN. Thank God in Heaven that he was not elected president last November. He lost because enough Republicans realized that he doesn't represent what they believe in. John McCain is a national hero for his service in the military. But as a senator, he is shameful. Who can doubt that his alignment with ACORN and SEIU pandering of the first order?
The good news is that John McCain is being taken down a couple of notches by Sarah Palin's new book. Everyone, and I mean everyone named McCain should leave the Republican Party. They are losers.

I'll just close by pointing out that the Democrats are in full panic mode now as they see the independents are running away from them in droves, Obama's approval ratings are dropping like a stone and even liberal Democrats are blaming Obama for the failure of the stimulus to turn the economy around.

Enjoy!

I looked at the Milwakee report.

Number of times ACORN was mentioned in the report: Zero
Number of documeted cases of actual criminally fraudulent votes: Zero
From the Milwaskee report on bogus voter registrations:

There is no evidence
gathered to date that votes were cast under these specific false names.

They compared the names to voter roles and how many matched? Zero.

We know that some ACORN staff submitted bogus registrations - why you say, to get paid.
Is it illegal? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. Should those who do it be punished? Yes.
Is there evidence supporting a reasonable suspicion that ACORN had even the smallest chance of having been responsible for changing the outcome in the 2009 Presidential race: NO. Not even close. Is it rational to believe it anyway? No.

You seem to assume that because ACORN has allegedly done bad things that is sufficient evidence to conclude that they changed the outcome of the 2008 election!?

Probability that fraud altered the 2008 election by all causes: 0%
Probility that ACORN changed the outcome of the 2008 Presidential election: 0.00%

Damn Catch22, you beat me to it....Apparently reading comprehension is not a skill taught anymore...thanks for the smackdown, sadly though it will not matter as Scotty will totally ignore it.

Scotty in comment #7.21 made assertions about ACORN,

Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes.

There have been incidents of voter registration fraud.

While ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes.

Actually, ACORN reported these faked registrations as they are, by law, required to do. By virtue of such reporting, the falsified registrations did not allow VOTES to be cast by fictitious voters.

Ironically, THIS PREVENTED VOTER FRAUD!

How about that.

Voter registration fraud is WRONG; I'm a liberal democrat and I will repeat ... Voter registration fraud is UNLAWFUL and WRONG!

Employers and other entities like ACORN, are subject to being compromised by incompetent and/or dishonest employees. It is one thing for ACORN as an organization to intentionally direct employees to commit acts of fraud, another to report employees who do so along with filing reports of their wrongful actions.

From scotty's comment,

1. The task force has developed evidence of more than 100 individual
instances of suspected double-voting, voting in names of persons who likely did not
vote, and/or voting in names believed to be fake. Those investigations continue.

You will let us know the outcome , won't you scotty?

scotty also wrote,

I should also point out that voter registration fraud is vote fraud.

And I should point out that this IS NOT TRUE! If the vote is never cast, no VOTE FRAUD HAS occurred.

Now, let's get you straight, scotty, on real, big time voter fraud;

Developed by political chief Karl Rove, the scheme (that led to the firing of Federal Attorney's by the Bush Administration) was evidently designed to advance his objective of discouraging minority and other voters with the bad habit of supporting Democrats. In Republican parlance, such attempts to hamper registration, intimidate citizens and reduce turnout in targeted communities are lauded as "combating voter fraud." Several of the fired U.S. attorneys had angered party operatives, including Rove, because they had shown so little enthusiasm for trumping up fraud cases against Democrats.

But wait, there's more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Fcv5uz_Ow

And look, I'm a liberal (minded) guy, so, just as you ended your comment with the wish for me to ... "enjoy,"

You do likewise.

A. Macarthur

To all the fantasyland liberals.

Well, it's not really even the least bit surprising that you folks can't see what is going on right before your eyes. Andrew Breitbart understand you people, too. That's why he's issued an ultimatum to Attorney General Holder to launch an investigation into ACORN or he will release more damning videos prior to the elections of next year.

I imagine that Holder will continue to deny that investigation and make the same denials that you clueless fools make here. That's good. Keep on dreaming.

scotty,

Do you have the ability and information to rebut my points specifically.

This doesn't say anything - it's not a rebuttal, it's a cop out

it's not really even the least bit surprising that you folks can't see what is going on right before your eyes.

Andrew Breitbart, your information go-to guy, is a commentator for the Washington Times, a Rev. Moon publication with total bias. He doesn't get to issue any ultimatum to an attorney general. Breitbart's background is the Drudge Report.

Just take my comment (#7.24) and pick it apart, point-for-point. I gave actual, factual information and even pointed out where you gave absolutely WRONG information.

You called me a "clueless fool" and gave me the sixth grader "Keep on dreaming" bull@!$%#, nothing-response.

Come on ... debate me; don't give me the off-handed, know-nothing, right-wing, bumper sticker one-liners. Hit-and-run is not credible. Tell me exactly what I said in my comment that is not factual - then correct me. I stand by my comments - I always back them up, and, if/when I am wrong, I say so and apologize.

That's what we "clueless fools" do; interestingly though, what you refer to as a "clueless fool," would be called by a person with integrity ... "a person who I don't agree with."

So I challenge you ... what did I write that isn't factual ... then straighten me out.

I can take it.

A. Macarthur

I'm a Republican and I am very concerned about ACORN and the cheating that the Democrat Party does through it.

Republicans go on and on about this kind of supposed fraud and never about white collar fraud such as Madoff, Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia, etc.

Or Halliburton and Blackwater.

A McArthur.
Please go back and look at all the documentation that I have given and see that it is, in fact, specific and detailed.
It is so thoroughly typical of you libraaaals to pretend that the facts do not apply when they are as plain and clear as the smashed bugs on your windshield.
Simply denying that reality exists is not a valid defense. And yet, this is standard operating procedure for you guys.

I find it hilarious that Brietbart's expose' of ACORN serves perfectly here as a model for your own behavior. James O'Keefe and Hanna Giles and Andrew Brietbart presented videos of ACORN's criminality for all the world to see with the first video. ACORN then found it a simple matter to merely deny that the video was indicative of any widespread activity at ACORN offices. So Brietbart released another couple of videos after the refutations. And then ACORN denied those. And then Breitbart released yet more videos and ACORN denied those.

You flaming libraaaaaaaaaals are so predictable.

Enjoy.

These people are no better than Michael Moore, editing their footage to give a certain viewpoint. To them, public opinion is more important than legal investigations. People can call their Congressman and beg them to shut ACORN down, which is what happened in this case. If there were real illegal activity going on, did they submit all their footage to police? The FBI?

I thought not.

Please go back and look at all the documentation that I have given and see that it is, in fact, specific and detailed.

Scotty,

Your information is inaccurate - there were no substantiated case of voter fraud ... and you're still calling me names. If you can't debate without the child-like name calling, just back off.

The videos were fabrications and/or set-ups.

You wrote;

Simply denying that reality exists is not a valid defense. And yet, this is standard operating procedure for you guys.

Follow your own advice.

And ...

Tell all you right-wing hypocrites what I'll do. I will agree to an investigation regarding the stealing of the 2008 election by ACORN, if YOU WILL AGREE TO AN INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGED WAR CRIMES AND VARIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

You in or out?

A. Macarthur

Isn't voter registration fraud a felony?

The crux of the issue, is WHO is committing the fraud? Was it ACORN themselves, a contracted employee, or just some guy off the street using their services? The wingnuts on this thread are equating what one random guy off the street does with the actions of corporate officers.

And again, REGISTRATION FRAUD IS NOT VOTER FRAUD. A false registration has absolutely no connection, no causal connection to a fraudulently cast VOTE. The number of fraudulent votes cast? ZERO.

Lastly, and I can't believe I'm actually spending the time to go over this point, Obama won the election by nearly 10 million votes. The total number of voters registered by ACORN was 2 million - and now I know math isn't your all's strongest subject but 2 million is less than 10 million. There's no way ... even if every single one of the voters that ACORN registered was an illegal mexican ... no way that ACORN could have "stolen" the election!!!!!

Thanks, bondibox, I didn't know that ACORN has registered that many people... that's still an accomplishment!

A McArthur.

Why I would waste my good time debating the likes of a person such as yourself, who cannot discern clear evidence that ACORN is a criminal organization, is beyond me.

Hey McArthur; Bush has left office. He's not president anymore. Get over it. You're wasting your own precious time if you want to attack him while Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann are still politically active and are mortal threats to your criminal, socialist programs.

Hey McArthur; Bush has left office. He's not president anymore.

Oh, right, I forgot ... if someone committed crimes last Thursday and now it's next Wednesday, the crimes go away. Yeah, right, forgot.

Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann are still politically active and are mortal threats to your criminal, socialist programs.

You just became more frightening than you have been previously.

Why I would waste my good time debating the likes of a person such as yourself, who cannot discern clear evidence that ACORN is a criminal organization, is beyond me.

"The likes of a person such as myself?"

Anyway, it seems a number of things are "beyond" you.

A. Macarthur

There ya go,a frustrated rightie winger who can't seem to remove head from misinformation trots out one foxlingual after another and when the reasoning world says pffft, whats this stupid sheet, and how can anyone hoover this kind of stuff from the GOP's pant leg and the rear end of a Fox and then expect others to believe it? They get all personal and start with the Palin is God and you are a socialist, socialist, socialist BOO! if you don't bow to the crippled poisoned ideology of the right.

The right in America, the right on the blogs, and what it has become. The bottom half of the tea pot and a waste of Americas time and energy.

Not to pile on, but A Mac has it right and the other stuff, it shouldn't convince a 10 year old its such obvious malarkey, but then hey, that's the right for you, quality last, first to talk, last to think.

Ignorance has a Political Party, stupidity has a savior, wretched church crazy has a home, Americas right has found its High priestess and her name, for now, is Palin.

This is who you are arguing with, this is the right in America and on the blogs.

one, two, three, four

Nice stuff ain't it?

It is one thing to believe that Bush stole an election he only won by a few votes.

In 2000, it wasn't even that. Bush lost the popular vote.

In 2000, it wasn't even that. Bush lost the popular vote.

That should have been it right there. Should have been the end to the electoral vote. One person One voice Once vote. Where the hell is my barricade?

That should have been it right there. Should have been the end to the electoral vote. One person One voice Once vote.

I hope to hell I never see that happen. You would then only see campaigning in populous places. Rural states/districts must get a say in what goes on in our government too.

You would then only see campaigning in populous places.

I live on the west coast - we never see the candidates - maybe on a fly over. But the electoral vote has done nothing for us.

As far as I can tell all we need to have a president elected into office is Ohio, maybe Florida for safe measure. So why they heck have county wide election to begin with?

All I can say is thank heaven for the west side of my state.

Rural states/districts must get a say in what goes on in our government too.

But do people vote, or dirt? Why should people with more dirt between them have a vote that counts for more than someone with less dirt?

I would love to see it too.

I'd like to see it as well, but I will not consider Youtube as a source before you bother.

Is Glenn Beck a valid source?

Hey now, I love sourcing u-tube, a video has to be worth a million pictures and so on...

Lets face it, as much eloquence as we try and pour out describing what a bunch of @!$%# headed, ignorant, religiously delusional and gullible, white trash makes up the 'r'ight in this country, nothing beats a video now does it?

@ fuhgetabotit

Youtube is great for jest and making points and other similar things. The website as a whole has changed our world and I think it's fantastic.

That said, there are zero videos on that website that will count as proof of acorn stealing the election.

Ohh, well as long as I get to keep using some of my favorites, I mean, imagine how much typing it would take to say what's in some of those...pheww, exhausting, so ok then ;)

Might be interesting, but it would never work. On the one hand, most people would not admit to holding racist beliefs since it's no longer culturally acceptable...

On the other hand, we're all familiar with the kinds of rationalizations and apologetics (and in many cases, simple lack of self-knowledge) that pop up constantly to try to shift any argument about race away from that subject and on to something else. Been going on in this country since the old "state's rights" argument for secession in the 1860s, and doesn't show any signs of changing...

I bet these same Republicans say Bush didn't steal the Presidency even though Gore won the popular vote by a larger number than all of their tea bagger marches combined

I'll bet those same republicans are all smart enough to know that we don't elect Presidents by popular vote. It's done by the electoral college. Gore could've won the popular vote by 20 million votes and still lost the election! That's how it works so that the wackos who live in the huge cities like New York and Los Angeles don't dictate to the rest of us how the entire country should be run!

Well, we'll never know who won the electoral vote in 2000.

Regardless of whether we will ever know who "won", we know who was RIGHT and who made the wrong choice....There's little vindication in saying "I told ya so" though.

Well, we'll never know who won the electoral vote in 2000.

Wow...just what we need...another "George Bush Birther"...inconcievable!!!

Wow...just what we need...another "George Bush Birther"...inconcievable!!!

I don't rely on theories if that's what you're getting at, Luke. There were votes that were never counted back in 2000. That's a fact!

. There were votes that were never counted back in 2000. That's a fact!

The only votes that I can remember not being counted were the thousands of military overseas votes that Al Gore got thrown out of the count. Is that the votes you are referring to? As we all know several liberal newspapers recounted all of the votes in the Florida election and Al Gore never once got enough votes to win! Liberals cry about republicans being sore losers in the last election, but still can't bring themselves to say GEORGE BUSH WON IN 2000!!!

George Bush won in 2000, much to the lasting shame of our country. There, now can we move on?

I don't know...can we Louie?

I don't know...can we Louie?

I did. Can Repubs let go of last year?

Besides, the GOP isn't complaining about it, in those circles stealing an election is a good thing, something to be proud of, something the good old boys give ya a wink and a nod for, which is why they probably did steal it but no one is bothering to say much about it as it makes the likes of Rove and Cheney proud and happy which is almost worse then the actual theft.

You know how it is, anything can be justified in the lords service or in protecting America for the chosen leadership.

Hey Bubba,

Do you have any fears that the Republican party will choose a "too Conservative" candidate that appeals to the base but drives away independents and moderates?

Do you think the GOP can win a general election with only it's 25% base?

McCain is far too liberal for the Republican party. Dems won because they turned out.

While it's true that Dems won because they turned out, it's not true that Republicans lost because they didn't turn out for McCain.

It's fairly easy to look at the numbers and see if that's true or not. In 2004, Republicans made up 30% of 122 million voters, or 36.6 million. In 2008, Republicans made up 28.7% of 131 million voters, or 37.6 million.

So, in reality, a million more Republican voters turned out in 2008 than in 2004.

You should smart up man. If you are implying that MSNBC IS a news channel, you are a lost cause

No, I'm not implying that. But at least I'm comfortable saying MSNBC is biased, whereas conservatives really beleive Fox noise is 'fair and balanced."

So you are saying that conservatives are not able to see bias and liberals are?Don't fool yourself. Conservatives are smart enough to know when a reporter is showing bias. They watch Fox because Fox is the lesser of the two evils. MSNBC is way over the top and you CANT deny that. I can't beleive they are still on the air!

Dizzy1, you sound like me after the 2000 election.

Perfect examples of what I am talking about. This has nothing to do with GW,republican,democrat. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION??! Bad bad things are happening to our country right now! Wake up! stop the fun little shots just for a while, and really consider what is going on. I won't ha ha you if you change your mind. It is what ADULTS do.

This has nothing to do with GW,republican,democrat.

It has everything to do with Bush and the damage he caused and the people like dizzy who voted him in to do it. They had their chance in 2004 when it was obvious Bush wasn't equal to the task of being president and they helped to put him in yet again.

Mr Hackett How does any of what is going on right now have anything to do with GW? Not talking about the wars, Obama is obviously not interested in the wars. Can't you see the the course he is setting? Nationalized health care is the start. When the government starts telling us how we will live our private lives, it's all over, and fast. I like Bryers Ice cream, Soon it will be a elite idea to eat bryers,because if the poor among us can't afford Bryers,(only store brand for them) Then I must be punished, therefore a luxury tax on Bryers. Next,my home, my car, Brand of toothpaste. If the poor can't aford what I enjoy, I must pay a penance for my sins(hard work). It will show up on your doorstep one day and if you don't see it now to stop it, it will be a rolling snow ball too big to stop.

lol, ya teapots whistling there, ;);)

The All American Bubba, first to speak, last to know...

Voters say the country is heading in the wrong direction. Campaign promises are not being kept and this administration is a bunch of thieves and tax cheaters. Will it be bad enough to vote Republican in 2012? After 4yrs of Mr Obama perhaps some of the conservative voters who stayed home last time will turn out, perhaps some of the independents will have buyer's remorse. I know you libs want another 4yrs but it ain't in the cards.

Well hell boy, I'm a conservative republican that was out there voting this last election, right here in Georgia in fact, heart of the bible belt and the South both. Red state bub. My man for president did just fine, what happened, you vote for the loser and the stupid twit or something? Can you vote? Just asking, your education strikes me as government provided, like a prison school or something lacking in the humanities and heavy on abuse.

Anyway, I couldn't take the smell coming from the GOP this last time out. Not after two failed wars, financial collapse, not so much as an 'oops our bad' and the fact that after all the money death and war the one skinny arab I thought we should have killed is still laughing from pool side in our good allies country...

But thats just me, that stuff bugged me. And church crazy stupid ignorance gives me a rash, that didn't help.

dizzy1,

How do you propose that we lower the national debt without some taxation?

The only thing I would suggest is that America has to focus on industry and start exporting goods on a mass scale again. The super-rich had their chance to re-invest in America after Mr. Ronald St. Reagan lowered their taxes back in the 1980s.

The super-rich (Mr. St. Reagan and his "friends") didn't. They didn't "trickle down" anything. Instead, after de-regulation of businesses and bank policies, they exported jobs and business and did not reinvest in America. And, they dismantled much of America's industrial infrastructure in the process. To make up for it, Mr. St. Reagan introduced "deficit spending" and started borrowing against Social Security as collatoral.

Now we have 30 years of debt. Anyone who thinks that any of it is going to be paid off or paid down without some taxation is in a fantasy world.

"The super-rich (Mr. St. Reagan and his "friends") didn't"trickle down anything"

Isn't Mr Obama a multi-millionaire?? So is Charlie Rangel. Have they trickled any down?? Our tax money trickles up to Charlie everytime he forgets how many rent houses he has when calculating his taxes.

Isn't Mr Obama a multi-millionaire?? So is Charlie Rangel.

And those millionaires are proposing higher taxes on themselves. I guess they are trying to trickle down in the realistic way: through taxation.

Taxation?? Wasn't Rangel cheating on his taxes to pay less not more?? He votes himself an increase then cheats on his taxes to get it back. It ain't tricklin nowwhere but his pocket!!

I don't know what Rangle was doing on his taxes. I would prefer if the IRS took a closer look at all tax returns at the top brackets. For many years now, they audited lower income people at a far higher percentage than high income people, and we both know which bracket is more likely to cheat with much higher stakes.

The point is that rich Dems are willing to raise taxes on their own bracket. Rich Republicans won't do it and don't tell me with a straight face that they don't also play games on their tax returns.

AL 616 Please read the response you wrote to me. Study it, when you fully understand what is so very wrong, yet obvious with it, you will instantly change your perspective. I promise you will. ( hint: two words,first sentence)

AL616, I guess you still believe in trickle-down economics? LOL Bush and the Republicans borrowed and spent more than any other administration in the history of America to pay for their little BS war in Iraq based on lies about weapons of mass destruction.

Oh yes by all means. Let's just cut taxes to the rich and corporate America some more. Maybe some crumbs will trickle down before we all starve to death. What has trickle-down economics done over the last 30 years? The rich have gotten richer, the middle-class has been destroyed, and the poor have gotten poorer.

Trickle-down. Anyone with HALF a brain knows that money flows from the bottom UP, not from the top DOWN. But that's okay, let's keep villifying labor and workers unions and rights, and benefits, and keep giving the rich more tax cuts, and keep paying huge, outrageous salaries to the CEOs, so the stockholders will be happy, because after all no one else matters. Let the workers get poorer and poorer and the CEOs get richer and richer. See where it gets us in the end.

Are you really that dumb? Don't you get the basics of how a stable economy works?